They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. I checked my order history. Here I was just falling in love with my SA 1911 Loaded. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. But Illinois only has about 2.1m gun owners of 12m population thats fewer by a significant margin than the number of hard-core urban Dems in Chicago alone. However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. SA created it). Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. The firearms community will be better without them. Post interesting results everywhere. Screw CTD. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. This is income tax refund time. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. To whom will they sell? Screw that. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. Good luck RRA. Dont know what will replace the EMP4 but I bet the TRP itch gets scratched by a Dan Wesson. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. How is he still employed? I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? Rock River Arms had one seat. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. A CEO that listens to the customer. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. CZ-75/85 are great guns. Very close to where I grew up. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. Its called doing business. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. I have family that works in the town. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. Damage done. Or cameras? If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. Today, we have nearly one dozen gun control groups working in Illinois. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Layoffs to follow. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. thats the one ive just stopped considering. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. Except they are both under different ownership today. Low character move. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Neither excuse is a proper justification. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. The Ruger is berween $6-700. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! As far as Im concerned, Smith and Wesson are still shit given they operate in communist MA and they should have packed up an left after what that bitch Maura Healey did last year. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. I.e., Target blamed climate change on revenue misses. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. Some would disagree. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Good grip, low muzzle flip/recoil, ambi controls, no mag safety and very easy to strip/reassemble. Well do our part in other states to support you. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. This story is libel. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? All evidence to the contrary? Might see if you can find one to test out. If you do a little digging, you will find they were importing 1911s from Brazil in the early days too. They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. I am happy with my Polytech. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. He supported this legislation, (by not opposing it) that LIMITS CIVILIANS TO 9 FIREARM TRANSFERS PER YEAR!!!! Whats the hangup for SA? Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Its sad but it happens. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. Shocking I know. They have no ethics. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. Well, now. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. Taurus? Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. That should be true. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. Ive never had better customer service with any other business. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. Weve got three very active groups on the ground in Illinois promoting GOTV campaigns and spreading the word. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Same here. They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. That is amazingly Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Or in the General Assembly. We feel that IFMAs And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. I agree. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. Well, said. This just proves that point. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. Make it a campaign issue NOW. No guilt trip on my hip. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. Some times they have deals. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. AR Parts. 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